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		<title>By: RepublikanKitteh</title>
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		<dc:creator>RepublikanKitteh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll see your NRA link with my own. I throw the bull-shit flag. NRA lied:

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The Rifle Association&#039;s &#039;True Story&#039;
October 23, 2008
A misleading NRA ad claims Obama voted &quot;to deny citizens the right of self-protection.&quot;

Summary
The National Rifle Association&#039;s misleading attacks on Obama continue. A new ad shows a terrified woman grabbing a gun after an intruder smashes his way into her home. It accuses Obama of voting repeatedly for a measure that would &quot;make you the criminal&quot; in such cases, and voting to &quot;deny citizens the right of self-protection.&quot;

It would be fair to characterize Obama as voting to uphold enforcement of local gun bans, even in cases where the banned weapons were used in self-defense. But the NRA goes too far when it claims that he voted &quot;to deny citizens the right of self-protection&quot; generally. He did no such thing. The vote would have had no effect at all in places that didn&#039;t have local gun bans in the first place.

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NRA Targets Obama
September 22, 2008
Updated: September 29, 2008
It falsely claims in mailers and TV ads that Obama plans to ban handguns, hunting ammo and use of a gun for home defense.

The NRA bases this overheated claim on a vote Obama cast on March 24, 2004, in the Illinois state Senate. He was one of 20 who opposed SB 2165. That bill, which passed 38 - 20 and became law, did not make it a crime to use firearms for self-defense, however. Rather, it created a loophole for persons caught violating local gun registration laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll see your NRA link with my own. I throw the bull-shit flag. NRA lied:</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>The Rifle Association&#8217;s &#8216;True Story&#8217;<br />
October 23, 2008<br />
A misleading NRA ad claims Obama voted &#8220;to deny citizens the right of self-protection.&#8221;</p>
<p>Summary<br />
The National Rifle Association&#8217;s misleading attacks on Obama continue. A new ad shows a terrified woman grabbing a gun after an intruder smashes his way into her home. It accuses Obama of voting repeatedly for a measure that would &#8220;make you the criminal&#8221; in such cases, and voting to &#8220;deny citizens the right of self-protection.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be fair to characterize Obama as voting to uphold enforcement of local gun bans, even in cases where the banned weapons were used in self-defense. But the NRA goes too far when it claims that he voted &#8220;to deny citizens the right of self-protection&#8221; generally. He did no such thing. The vote would have had no effect at all in places that didn&#8217;t have local gun bans in the first place.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>NRA Targets Obama<br />
September 22, 2008<br />
Updated: September 29, 2008<br />
It falsely claims in mailers and TV ads that Obama plans to ban handguns, hunting ammo and use of a gun for home defense.</p>
<p>The NRA bases this overheated claim on a vote Obama cast on March 24, 2004, in the Illinois state Senate. He was one of 20 who opposed SB 2165. That bill, which passed 38 &#8211; 20 and became law, did not make it a crime to use firearms for self-defense, however. Rather, it created a loophole for persons caught violating local gun registration laws.</p>
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		<title>By: William B</title>
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		<dc:creator>William B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am back and forth on this issue. i mean i am for gun control because the only person i can trust with a gun is myself and some police officers. i do believe it should be harder for people to get their hands on a handgun. have them do a longer background check if they have to just to find out who the guy buying really is. but i also believe that everyone has the right to own a rifle and when i say rifle i dont mean assault rifles i mean hunting rifles or little 22. rifles. yes i will be the first to admit assault rifles are fun but i dont see the need for a civilian to own one. we are not in a country that is not threatend to being invaded and an assault rifle isnt the best thing for home security. if you want home security buy a shotgun or install an alarm system</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am back and forth on this issue. i mean i am for gun control because the only person i can trust with a gun is myself and some police officers. i do believe it should be harder for people to get their hands on a handgun. have them do a longer background check if they have to just to find out who the guy buying really is. but i also believe that everyone has the right to own a rifle and when i say rifle i dont mean assault rifles i mean hunting rifles or little 22. rifles. yes i will be the first to admit assault rifles are fun but i dont see the need for a civilian to own one. we are not in a country that is not threatend to being invaded and an assault rifle isnt the best thing for home security. if you want home security buy a shotgun or install an alarm system</p>
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		<title>By: gimp3836@sbcglobal.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>gimp3836@sbcglobal.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only people who are not aware of what this guy is are the ones who voted for him.  He has a record, albeit short, and gun grabs and taxes are the mainstay of this guys political history.  He voted to raise taxes on those making as little as $42,000 while in the Illinois Senate.  Like every other lib this guy is scared of guns because they offer the only threat to tyranny.

A bunch of pie in the sky libs elected this guy and all of us are going to end up with the government the libs deserve.  Grab your A$$, this is going to be a HeII of a ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only people who are not aware of what this guy is are the ones who voted for him.  He has a record, albeit short, and gun grabs and taxes are the mainstay of this guys political history.  He voted to raise taxes on those making as little as $42,000 while in the Illinois Senate.  Like every other lib this guy is scared of guns because they offer the only threat to tyranny.</p>
<p>A bunch of pie in the sky libs elected this guy and all of us are going to end up with the government the libs deserve.  Grab your A$$, this is going to be a HeII of a ride.</p>
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		<title>By: D_Truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>D_Truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you are crossposting, I&#039;ll follow you and post my response:

Source it or it never happened.

Downthumb me all you want douchebags, my assertion is valid - his question is riddled with lies and distortions and I want to see him back his post up,

Oh and I should state for the record - AR-15, AK-47, etc etc etc law-abiding liberal gun owner here that isn&#039;t the least bit worried.

Since you tried to respond, I&#039;ll walk you through it.

1. What he backed (which they knew never would pass but it was a good faith vote) was for a 500% INCREASE in the tax of ammo - or roughly a 50% total tax. You&#039;re wrong.
2. Your quote &quot;President-elect Barack Obama has just stated that he is going to tax ammunition 500% as well as all handguns and semi-automatic weapons. He said he wants to permanantly ban all hanguns, semi-auto&#039;s, and some shotguns&quot; WHERE IS YOUR LINK SHOWING HE &#039;JUST SAID&#039; this? Back it up or back down.
3. &quot;He also wants to do away with the &#039;grandfather clause&#039; and make it illegal to possess any guns purchased before his ban goes into effect. You will have to wait for 30 days to buy a gun. He and Biden are also proposing reinstating a &#039;much stronger&#039; version of the 1994-2004 Clinton gun ban that the Republican Congress let expire in 2004.&quot; WHERE IS YOUR LINK? It doesn&#039;t have to do with his record - you say they propose - link it dude. Or its lies.
4. &quot;tion! Basically they are disarming law abiding citizens, but doing so in small increments. With The Democrats having a fillibuster proof Majority in the Senate and House,&quot; LIE they don&#039;t - they need 60 seats. They have 57.


You make assertion after assertion about &#039;what they will do&#039; yet you provide no material link. ***** his voting record. Last time I checked, Congress writes the bills. The president can&#039;t do anything regarding legislation except perhaps recommend. And Congress would not pass this sort of stupid crap because it would put many businesses out of business - do you think that&#039;s a bright idea given the nature of our economic issues?

So again - where did you &#039;hear&#039; him &#039;say&#039; that he &#039;would do&#039; these things on &#039;Jan 20, 2009&#039;? Or are you smoking some weed? 


Seriously, link it or your question just stinks of rant, my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you are crossposting, I&#8217;ll follow you and post my response:</p>
<p>Source it or it never happened.</p>
<p>Downthumb me all you want douchebags, my assertion is valid &#8211; his question is riddled with lies and distortions and I want to see him back his post up,</p>
<p>Oh and I should state for the record &#8211; AR-15, AK-47, etc etc etc law-abiding liberal gun owner here that isn&#8217;t the least bit worried.</p>
<p>Since you tried to respond, I&#8217;ll walk you through it.</p>
<p>1. What he backed (which they knew never would pass but it was a good faith vote) was for a 500% INCREASE in the tax of ammo &#8211; or roughly a 50% total tax. You&#8217;re wrong.<br />
2. Your quote &#8220;President-elect Barack Obama has just stated that he is going to tax ammunition 500% as well as all handguns and semi-automatic weapons. He said he wants to permanantly ban all hanguns, semi-auto&#8217;s, and some shotguns&#8221; WHERE IS YOUR LINK SHOWING HE &#8216;JUST SAID&#8217; this? Back it up or back down.<br />
3. &#8220;He also wants to do away with the &#8216;grandfather clause&#8217; and make it illegal to possess any guns purchased before his ban goes into effect. You will have to wait for 30 days to buy a gun. He and Biden are also proposing reinstating a &#8216;much stronger&#8217; version of the 1994-2004 Clinton gun ban that the Republican Congress let expire in 2004.&#8221; WHERE IS YOUR LINK? It doesn&#8217;t have to do with his record &#8211; you say they propose &#8211; link it dude. Or its lies.<br />
4. &#8220;tion! Basically they are disarming law abiding citizens, but doing so in small increments. With The Democrats having a fillibuster proof Majority in the Senate and House,&#8221; LIE they don&#8217;t &#8211; they need 60 seats. They have 57.</p>
<p>You make assertion after assertion about &#8216;what they will do&#8217; yet you provide no material link. ***** his voting record. Last time I checked, Congress writes the bills. The president can&#8217;t do anything regarding legislation except perhaps recommend. And Congress would not pass this sort of stupid crap because it would put many businesses out of business &#8211; do you think that&#8217;s a bright idea given the nature of our economic issues?</p>
<p>So again &#8211; where did you &#8216;hear&#8217; him &#8216;say&#8217; that he &#8216;would do&#8217; these things on &#8216;Jan 20, 2009&#8242;? Or are you smoking some weed? </p>
<p>Seriously, link it or your question just stinks of rant, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: mmmkay</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmmkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I **** useless gun control legislation just as much as everyone. The only legislation I agree with are background checks for people buying them and that&#039;s it. I live in California and right now I&#039;m complaining about some of the stupid laws we have for firearms. However, don&#039;t believe in everything that the NRA says about Obama or other politicians because some of their statements about them are inaccurate. Also, what ever gun laws that were supported by Obama in Chicago does not apply to the rest of the nation. Plus he has the economy and war to worry about. His support for banning semi automatic wpns is disturbing though. If that&#039;s the case, I will go out and protest my @ss off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I **** useless gun control legislation just as much as everyone. The only legislation I agree with are background checks for people buying them and that&#8217;s it. I live in California and right now I&#8217;m complaining about some of the stupid laws we have for firearms. However, don&#8217;t believe in everything that the NRA says about Obama or other politicians because some of their statements about them are inaccurate. Also, what ever gun laws that were supported by Obama in Chicago does not apply to the rest of the nation. Plus he has the economy and war to worry about. His support for banning semi automatic wpns is disturbing though. If that&#8217;s the case, I will go out and protest my @ss off.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Percy Wooster II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord Percy Wooster II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its time to make assult weapons compulsory
being without a hand gun is the same as being gay
how many school shootings are there each year? school shootings are the price we pay for freedom
when the founding fathers founded the USA, they intended for every american to have the right to shoot whoever they dam well please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its time to make assult weapons compulsory<br />
being without a hand gun is the same as being gay<br />
how many school shootings are there each year? school shootings are the price we pay for freedom<br />
when the founding fathers founded the USA, they intended for every american to have the right to shoot whoever they dam well please</p>
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		<title>By: birdie</title>
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		<dc:creator>birdie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahahaha

I love this stuff! I thought it was over since the election. You have been bamboozled!

I just did a web search JUST for confirmation and found out what I had figured out before I read your  question. 

Fooled again. There is ZERO ZIp and NONE interest from yhe OBama camp on your silly guns. The last thing he said about it was after the SUPREME COURT ruled that it is OK for communities to enact their own gun control laws. He was OK with that. 

POOF! That lets the Federal Government out of your gun ownership &quot;problems&quot;... Obama cannot do anything about it. It is out of his hands and he has not said he was interested in it anyway since 1999 when he made an off-hand comment supporting local Police...Not an issue he is interested in.

Who IS interested in it? Oh, let me take a guess....NRA who gets all of their money and very high wages dependent on your and your gun-sellers donations. 

Hahahaha! You got punked! Email me after feb 2009 and if there is an Obama declaration to tax or take your guns I will donate $$$ to the goofy NRA! Really.

google stuff before you twist panties...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahaha</p>
<p>I love this stuff! I thought it was over since the election. You have been bamboozled!</p>
<p>I just did a web search JUST for confirmation and found out what I had figured out before I read your  question. </p>
<p>Fooled again. There is ZERO ZIp and NONE interest from yhe OBama camp on your silly guns. The last thing he said about it was after the SUPREME COURT ruled that it is OK for communities to enact their own gun control laws. He was OK with that. </p>
<p>POOF! That lets the Federal Government out of your gun ownership &#8220;problems&#8221;&#8230; Obama cannot do anything about it. It is out of his hands and he has not said he was interested in it anyway since 1999 when he made an off-hand comment supporting local Police&#8230;Not an issue he is interested in.</p>
<p>Who IS interested in it? Oh, let me take a guess&#8230;.NRA who gets all of their money and very high wages dependent on your and your gun-sellers donations. </p>
<p>Hahahaha! You got punked! Email me after feb 2009 and if there is an Obama declaration to tax or take your guns I will donate $$$ to the goofy NRA! Really.</p>
<p>google stuff before you twist panties&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James M</title>
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		<dc:creator>James M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^found that to be an interesting read^^

and no, i do not believe in gun control</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^found that to be an interesting read^^</p>
<p>and no, i do not believe in gun control</p>
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		<title>By: rhambass</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhambass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conjecture by a (probably) conservative website until proven otherwise valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conjecture by a (probably) conservative website until proven otherwise valid.</p>
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		<title>By: kjw02f</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjw02f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO I DON&#039;T AGREE WITH IT!  OUTLAW GUNS AND ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE THEM!  It&#039;s a lot easier to grab a handgun out of a drawer when someone invades your house than to grab a rifle or shotgun in an effort to defend yourself.  I personally believe it&#039;s a violation of the Constitution.  The &quot;right to bear arms&quot; should be kept.  

And P.S.  I didn&#039;t vote for him so don&#039;t blame me when he screws EVERYTHING up...not just this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO I DON&#8217;T AGREE WITH IT!  OUTLAW GUNS AND ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE THEM!  It&#8217;s a lot easier to grab a handgun out of a drawer when someone invades your house than to grab a rifle or shotgun in an effort to defend yourself.  I personally believe it&#8217;s a violation of the Constitution.  The &#8220;right to bear arms&#8221; should be kept.  </p>
<p>And P.S.  I didn&#8217;t vote for him so don&#8217;t blame me when he screws EVERYTHING up&#8230;not just this!</p>
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